February 19, 2007 10:35:06am
Re: ratdog policy not followed OOPS
We are going only off of what Peter Ammerall specifically asked for as policy for the Ratdog section of archive.org. Remember that sometimes bands have different or more restrictive limitations on what can be hosted here vs. what can be traded out and about in their normal trading circles.
If there is a change to their hosting request (It was in August 2004) we will change the policy here. We are not involved in the Ratdog trading scene, so if someone feels that peter has changed his mind on the topic, please have him e-mail the admins of the LMA at etreeATarchiveDOTorg and we will go from there. For now, all shows oct 1, 2003 and onward are not allowed on the LMA and should not be uploaded. If they make it through the cracks, they will be removed ASAP.
Limited Flag: LimRange
**8/20/04 Ratdog policy update** -- NO shows on or after October 01, 2003 allowed on archive.org
"I would like to change the allowable trade policy in regards to the dates. Please do not allow any shows to be posted that are dated after September 2003. Please remove any shows that have been posted after that date. Please contact me if you have any questions.
Archive admin Tyler Huff clarified:
"just for clarification, you said: "Please do not allow any shows to be posted that are dated after September 2003." you mean that any show that occured on October 01, 2003 or later is NOT allowed on archive.org, correct? Oct 1 is the split date, right?"
"> yes that is correct and thank you very much.
> Peter Ammerall
RatDog allows and encourages fans to record its concerts with their own gear. Soundboard patches will not be permitted, and RatDog's crew will not be able to assist you with your gear, cords, or strategies. In some cases, venue policy will preclude taping.
RatDog does not allow fans to videotape its concerts.
RatDog allows and encourages fans to take still photographs using consumer-model (non-professional) cameras. The use of flashes is highly discouraged as it is a distraction to the band and other fans and does not improve the quality of photos. In some cases, venue policy will preclude photography.
>Trading Audience Recordings
RatDog allows and encourages the trading of audience recordings of its concerts provided that no money or tangible products are included. Internet downloads are permitted provided there is no charge for the service, even if such charge is only intended for the purpose of recovering the costs incurred to provide the recordings.
>Trading Non-Official Soundboard Recordings
RatDog allows and encourages the trading of soundboard recordings of its concerts on and prior to September 6, 2003, and those not recorded for release in the Official CD Series. Internet downloads of concerts on and prior to September 6, 2003 are permitted provided there is no charge for the service, even if such charge is only intended for the purpose of recovering the costs incurred to provide the recordings.
Trading Official Soundboard Recordings
Trading and distribution of soundboard recordings of concerts on and after October 11, 2003 that were recorded for release in the Official CD Series are not allowed
Previously included info:
**same as Grateful Dead, note portion of policy that says "at our concerts and those of our individual members"
Message from Grateful Dead Productions, Inc. // Ice Nine
STATEMENT TO MP3 SITE OPERATORS:
The Grateful Dead and our managing organizations have long encouraged the purely
non-commercial exchange of music taped at our concerts and those of our individual members. That
a new medium of distribution has arisen - digital audio files being traded over the Internet - does not
change our policy in this regard.
Our stipulations regarding digital distribution are merely extensions of those long-standing
principles and they are as follows:
No commercial gain may be sought by websites offering digital files of our music, whether
through advertising, exploiting databases compiled from their traffic, or any other means.
All participants in such digital exchange acknowledge and respect the copyrights of the
performers, writers and publishers of the music.
This notice should be clearly posted on all sites engaged in this activity.
We reserve the ability to withdraw our sanction of non-commercial digital music should
circumstances arise that compromise our ability to protect and steward the integrity of our
On August 9, 2004, band archivist Peter Ammerall gave the OK for Ratdog's inclusion on archive.org:
My name is Peter Ammerall and I am the archivist for Ratdog. Charlie Miller sent me your contact info. Our taping policy allows for older material prior to official release to be traded as long as no money is exchanged. We would love to be a part of archive.org. Please email me if you have any questions or need any more information from me.